Below is the transcript of the alleged recorded interview of a former secretary of Fr. John Wellinger's former parish. The secretary alleged that she informed Pittsburgh diocesan spokesman, Fr. Ron Lengwin, about Wellinger in the late 1980s.
In contrast, Lengwin publicly stated that Wellinger was not reported to the diocese until 1995. This means that someone is lying about a Father John Wellinger who walked away from ministry on his own accord; either Lengwin or the secretary of the late John Wellinger.
Now, the red flag about the Wellinger case is that he left ministry via "personal leave." There was no strong disciplinarian enforcing administrative leave on him. In addition, since 1999, I have never heard anything honorable about the very tall Ron Lengwin, by any of my sources. He was repeatedly alleged to be Donald Wuerl's attacking pit bull. A bully ... allegedly.
And yes, I surprised to see how tall he was, as we passed by each other in a diocesan building hallway, during the Torquato Retaliations. Incidentally, when he did say hello to me, he did so with slightly gritted teeth and an ornery facial expression. I kept walking.
The transcript is preceded by an introduction, written the Mike Ference who is no stranger to diocesan intimidation tactics ... allegedly.
In the Ference case, the Ferences had the right to know the motivating force behind Bobby Butler pulling the trigger of a lethal weapon twice on a school bus of unarmed teenagers. Add to the Serra Catholic equation, the previously accused Kenneth Ghastin who was stationed there when the shooting occurred.
Include the accused Fr Michael LeDoux who would be assigned to
Serra after the Adam Ference shooting. There is something of substance in the Ference case, in as far as goes the motivating force in sweeping the entire matter under a carpet.
Incidentally, all that is posted herein is presented to you as 'alleged,'
concerning the contents. Now for guest writer Mike Ference:
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This is part of a taped interview with Marta P******* which I had gotten transcribed. It's her describing her attempts to inform the
Pittsburgh diocese of possible sexual abuse, along with drug and alcohol abuse, directed
toward Pittsburgh-area youths by late Catholic priest, Father John Wellinger. For a description of
Father John Wellinger’s alleged crimes visit either
At least one alleged victim of John Wellinger credits my (Mike Ference's) years of
investigation as helping to force the Pittsburgh Diocese to settle out of court with 31 other
alleged victims of clergy abuse. He's Chris Mathews, and if you would
like to contact Chris, let me know and I'll pass your phone number or email address to him.
The Diocese of Pittsburgh could have prevented some tragedy, perhaps.
If the Pittsburgh Diocese had done the prudent thing, instead of adopting the policy of disregarding people, Chris Mathews
wouldn't have been sexually abused by John Wellinger, as was alleged. Bobby Butler, Jr. may not
have attempted to murder my son.
As importantly, Bobby may still be alive today also, depending if he too were molested by Wellinger. However, the Pittsburgh diocese didn't seem to care.
Editor's Note: Keep in mind that, during the deposition of a Clairton law enforcement man, the Ference attorney asked him if he new anything about John Wellinger molesting youth in the Clairton area. The diocesan attorney then banged on the table and starting employing intimidating speech which under oath. This makes the Diocese of Pittsburgh (under Donald Wuerl at the time) look extremely suspicious. Back to guest writer, Mike Ference:
Had the Diocese of Pittsburgh done the prudent thing, then John Wellinger’s alleged lover, laicized
Catholic priest, Richard Dorsch, may have been halted before he began to sexually abuse
youth. Even Archbishop Bevilacqua may have been prevented from causing so
much pain and agony in the Philadelphia Archdiocese, as was described in the scathing
report of the grand jury investigation that transpired through the Philadelphia
District Attorney’s office.
Respectfully, Mike Ference
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Beginning of interview
Mike: And I’m talking to Marta P******* (Mike then spelled her full name), is that correct?
Marta: Right.
Mike: Your telephone number is 412-***-****. What is your mother’s maiden name, if I may ask?
Marta: And you need this?
Mike: I just wanted to identify, again if some one says “How do we
know we're talking to Marta?” You know what I mean, if that’s okay with you? If not, that’s okay. You do not have to give that.
Marta: No, I don’t. No.
Mike: You’d rather not give that?
Marta: No.
Mike: Ok, that’s fine. That’s fine.
Marta: I mean, I am in the church year book, if you were to need
anything else.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: You are a resident of West Mifflin,
is that correct?
Marta: Right.
Mike: You have been a member of the Holy Spirit Church for some time
now, for a number of years, since at least 1980 or 81?
Marta: Since 1968.
Mike: 1968! Oh my goodness.
Okay.
Mike: At the time a Priest by the name of (John Wellinger) came
there, you had a position with the church if I am not mistaken. What position was this?
Marta: I was the Parish secretary.
Mike: Was this a fulltime or part-time position?
Marta: It was part-time.
Mike: If I am not mistaken, you became suspicious of John
Wellinger based upon a couple of things that were occurring. Is that correct?
Marta: Well, yeah. I had a
feeling that there was something not right.
Mike: You were also told about a possible assault on a young boy by
the
name of (*********). Is that
correct?
Marta: I wouldn’t say assault.
Mike: Okay
Marta: What was told to me was that, he had given, I guess, liquor and drugs to this young man, and was taken to the hospital.
Mike: Right, okay. And that
Hospital was Shadyside
Hospital, if I am not
mistaken. Is that correct?
Marta: I am not sure.
Mike: Okay. And this would
have happened? Do you think this happened sometime in 1987?
Marta: Yeah, I guess so.
Mike: Okay, so this happened in 1987. You are also aware of the alleged abuse that
took place with a young boy by the name of (Chris Mathews) sometime in
1989. Is that correct?
Marta: Only that, I knew about it when it was in the paper.
Mike: When it was publicized.
Okay, it was publicized in 2003, or some thing like that.
Mike: The (*********) boy, I believe his first name is (****)?
Marta: Right.
Mike: Okay. At the time, he
would have been about sixteen (16) years of age, do you think?
Marta: Yeah, maybe fifteen (15) or sixteen (16).
Mike: Okay.
Mike: You can be relatively sure that he was under the age of
eighteen (18)?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: (**** *********’s) mother would have been (**** *********,) correct?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: She also worked for the church, or (John Wellinger) at that
time, is that correct?
Marta: Yes. She was the CCD
coordinator.
Mike: So, she was often around the church, and often either with John Wellinger or performing church duties.
Things like that. Is that correct?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: Am I permitted to ask you who told you about (****’s)
incident? I believe initially you may
have said so. Did you say it was (******) who told you this happened?
Marta: No.
Mike: Okay, I am sorry.
Marta: It wasn’t her. You
know, I can’t remember who told me.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: I kinda think it may have been (Michelle ********).
Mike: She was the organist?
Marta: Right.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: But, I am not sure.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: Put it this way. There
were several people who were well aware of this.
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: Okay, Okay.
Mike: So, again, we are proceeding with the assumption that John
Wellinger may have given drugs and alcohol to a boy by the name of (**** *********)
sometime in the year of 1987. The boy
was certainly under the age of eighteen (18), and was a minor to the best of
your recollection.
Marta: Right.
Mike: Okay. Now, you also
told me during the conversation we had,
I believe back in August, that you had
gone to the Pittsburgh
Catholic Diocese to talk about some of your concerns about
John Wellinger. Is that correct?
Marta: That is correct.
Mike: Would you say that you did that some time in the year 1988.
Marta: Yeah, I think so.
Although, this was before I resigned.
Mike: So this was before you resigned. Do you know when you re-
signed your duties
from the church?
Marta: No. I would have to
look at my records.
Mike: Do you have any idea when it might have been?
Marta: Um, It was probably in 1988 or 1989.
Mike: If it were 1989, do you have any idea about what month or
any thing like that?
Marta: That I resigned?
Mike: Yeah.
Marta: It may have been like late summer.
Mike: Late Summer of 1988 or 1989. Okay.
Mike: Is there any way you could double check this to see?
Marta: Yeah, If I am thinking if I still have my pay records or
not. Then I could look that up.
Mike: Okay, very good.
Mike: So, you proceeded to go to the Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese. Any idea who you might have met with at the diocese?
Marta: I don’t remember. I am
thinking it was (Ron Lengwin) but I am not sure.
Mike: You are not one hundred (100) percent sure?
Marta: No.
Mike: Okay. Well let me ask
you this. To get a time frame on this,
was Bishop Bevilacqua that bishop at the time?
Marta: Yes, he was.
Mike: So, this was before Donald Wuerl?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: How do you know Bishop Bevilacqua was the bishop? Is there anything that you can say for sure other than “you know what, I knew that when
I went down there Bishop Bevilacqua was the bishop, simply because he was the
bishop”. Maybe that is sufficient.
Marta: Umm, Yeah.
Mike: Okay. We could probably
re-establish these dates, if we wanted to.
Mike: So, you met with a gentleman who you think may have been Fr Ron Lengwin. Do you recall some of the
things you told him.
Marta: Umm, Yeah.
Mike: And, what were they?
Mike: I think, if I am not mistaken, you mentioned that there was a
young boy living at the rectory at the time?
Marta: Right.
Mike: Did you tell that to Father Lengwin?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: Do you recall what else you told to Father (Lengwin)?
Marta: Oh. Probably that a young couple spent the night at the rectory. They were trying to sneak out the next morning, and I just happen to come by the stairs when they were trying to get out.
Mike: When you say young couple, do you mean young boy and girl?
Marta: I would say in their early twenties. They were friends of his.
Mike: Do you know who they were?
Marta: No.
Mike: Was that the type of behavior you might have experienced or at least heard about on a regular basis, or was this something new?
Marta: As far as the young couple, this only happened the one time that I am aware of.
Mike: Okay
Marta: I did tell Father (Wellinger) that I saw them there, and He said it was only a few friends of his that stayed there.
Mike: Okay. You felt there was much more to it than just people staying overnight.
Marta: Well, I don’t know. I did not think it was proper for them to stay all night at the rectory, and then try to sneak out.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: If they had been proper guests there, then why would they be
hiding? Why wouldn't they just come out in the open?
Mike: What makes you think they were actually sneaking out?
Marta: Because, there were people in the dining room. That is where
we would meet to have our staff meetings, and I came to my
office through the living room to the dining room. In that hall
between the rooms is the stairs . As I came around the bend, the two were coming down the steps. They were trying to be real quiet.
Mike: Do they know that you saw them?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: You were startled, and they were probably startled, I guess. They were also kind of embarrassed, too? I am guessing. And then they just kind of …
Marta: ... left
Mike: They shuffled out without saying hello, goodbye, or anything?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: Now, what did Father (Lengwin) say about this?
Marta: You know, I really do not recall. I think he was just trying to write things down, not really making any comments about it.
Mike: And you also told him about the young fellow that was living there for a time. Do you have any idea on about who he was, or how old he was?
Marta: I do not know who he was. I would say he could have been around seventeen or eighteen.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: The only reason I knew, because I did not realize there was anybody up there, was the telephone bill came in, and I questioned Father (Wellinger) about it. It was a big, long list. I called the telephone company about this one number, but I am not sure what number it was.
Mike: Was it like a 900 number, or something similar?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: This is the only way I knew, and he said “Oh, that’s ( ).” I am not certain of what name he gave. He then said “he has been staying up there, and that would be him. In fact, I think (Maria C******) happened to pick up the phone, and heard him on the phone.” Although, nothing was apparently ever said or done, because we got the telephone bill listing all those calls.
Mike: So you told Father (Lengwin) about the boy living up there. Was there any reaction from Father (Lengwin)?
Marta: Not that I can recall.
Mike: After, was there anything else that you may have told Father (Lengwin)?
Marta: Umm, I am trying to think.
Mike: Did you tell him about the (W********) boy?
Marta: I don’t think I knew that at the time.
Mike: To make along story short, or to paraphrase it, you went to Father (Lengwin) with concerns about John (Wellinger) because of inappropriate behavior. Did you think at the time that it could have been some type of sexual behavior that may not have been acceptable for a priest?
Marta: No, not at that time.
Mike: No, OK. Not at that time. Basically, you were reporting behavior that in your mind was suspicious.
Marta: Right.
Mike: OK
Mike: Now, so you left the diocese. How did the diocese react to your concerns?
Marta: Well, they ... um ... Let’s see: I know that I had put another call in to them, or they called me. I can’t remember.
Mike: That’s OK
Marta: They said it sounds like people inform you of things, and they made me feel like I was a busybody or something.
Mike: Like you were sticking your nose into somebody else’s business where it did not belong, maybe?
Marta: Because people would tell me things. I was they’re secretary, and people would tell me things. I don’t know. They would express concerns or thoughts.
Mike: So, people would come to you because they had confidence in you. Probably also because of the fact that maybe you had been privy to something, and maybe they felt like they were helping in some way by putting some of the pieces together by giving you additional information?
Marta: Or they were curious and wanted to know.
Mike: They may have come to you and said, what do you think? And people were coming to you about his behavior, showing concern. As a result of this, you went to whom we think is Father (Lengwin) and, said, "Hey, I’m not sure if anything is going on, but here is what we have so far."
Marta: Right.
Mike: Father (Lengwin) or whomever you spoke with, said “quit being such a busybody, and mind your own business.” Now, did they send you any type of a letter or anything at all?
Marta: Oh, yes. They sent me a letter, and asked me if they questioned (Wellinger) about anything that I said, would I want my name mentioned?
Mike: Okay.
Marta: I said no, because I think at that time I was still working.
Mike: Okay, you were still working.
Marta: Right.
Mike: Did they state anything else in that letter that you can recall?
By the way, do you still have that letter?
Marta: I don’t know. I would have to look.
Mike: Okay, you would have to look. Do you recall anything else in that letter that may have been stated, or who the letter may have come from?
Marta: I know it came from the diocese.
Mike: Okay. Have you ever told anybody else about this, such as law enforcement officials or anybody else that may have been able to help in this situation? I think you did as much as you could with as much information as you had. Is that a reasonable assumption on my part?
I mean, you don’t have the authority to arrest anybody. For you to question (Wellinger), that really doesn’t do any good, although you may have questioned him, or put him on the spot at times.
Marta: Right.
Mike: That doesn’t mean he’s going to tell you the truth or anything like that.
Marta: Yeah, I know.
Mike: Did you ever talk to anybody else about this that may have been in a position to get some things done?
Marta: I’m not sure. At one time, I think I did talk to one of the parish council members.
Mike: And who would that have been?
Marta: That would have been (Rick M**********), but it would not have been about this. It would have been more about how the money was being used.
Mike: I see.
Marta: This would have involved with the parish share money.
Mike: Okay. Now when you are talking about money, are you talking about inappropriate expenditures in any way, or question about where some of the money was?
Was it something like that?
Marta: Well, yeah. The parish share money wasn’t necessarily going to that. I didn’t know where it was going, you know.
Mike: Okay. Did anybody ever look into that?
Marta: I don’t think so.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: You know. Nothing ever came back to me.
Mike: Okay. And what was that gentleman’s name again that was on the
parish council?
Marta: That was (Rick Manischevic).
Mike: Is he still a member of the parish council?
Marta: No.
Mike: Okay. Is he still involved in the church in any way?
Marta: yes. I believe he trains the ultra service.
Mike: Were there any people who may have covered for John (Wellinger) if he did anything wrong that the church?
Marta: Oh, sure.
Mike: Who do you think some of those people might have been?
Marta: Well, (Marie Capana), would have been one.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: (Marina C*******) I think too, and there may be one more,
although I’m not sure.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: Do you mean (Marina Cataro)?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: I tried talking to her, and she wouldn’t talk to me.
Marta: No, she wouldn’t.
Mike: Do you think she may know something?
Marta: I am sure, yes, she would know something. I am sure somebody would have said something to her.
Mike: Okay. Did you ever discuss anything like this with (Gretchen
W*****)?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: She is the sister of mercy, I believe?
Marta: Right.
Mike: I think (Gretchen W*****) had some suspicions concerning (Wellinger)?
Marta: Oh Yeah.
Mike: Do you know if she ever went to someone at the diocese to say, "Hey, something is amiss here?"
Marta: I don’t know that. I kind of think not, but I don’t know.
Mike: Okay. Any idea what she may have known?
Marta: Umm, Well...
Mike: Did she know about the (W********) boy?
Marta: I believe she did.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: All I remember her telling him was that she was not going to fight his demons. That’s all I can remember.
Mike: I see. I’m trying to think if there’s anything else. Somewhere around 1988 or 1989, you resigned as the parish secretary, but you still stayed on as a member. No one was going to keep you out of a church you belong to and helped build, and all that kind of stuff. Somewhere around 1991 is when (Wellinger) left, is that correct?
Marta: I believe so.
Mike: Do you remember anything surrounding when he left? Usually when a priest leaves, there is some type of formal announcement like in a month I’ll be leaving. Do you recall anything like this with ... (Wellinger)?
Marta: No, I don’t recall that. All I recall at that time is that Bishop (Boal) came to our church or some type of function, maybe for confirmation, although I am not sure, and within like two weeks (Wellinger) was gone. I just thought, well, somebody with some type of clout may have sent the bishop here.
Mike: Okay, but you’re not completely sure.
Marta: No.
Mike: You do, however, know where he stayed when he left Holy Spirit Church.
Marta: Right.
Mike: Where did he stay? I think he first went to Allentown.
Mike: But you said ...
Marta: I think he did stay with … but then he went to Allentown as a priest.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: After that, I think he went to St. Francis with Father (Dorsch).
Mike: When you say he went to Allentown, he left Holy Spirit Church abruptly?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: And, was immediately assigned to a church in Allentown?
Was that the way it went?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: If I’m not mistaken, Allentown may be a separate borough,
but it is also part of Pittsburgh, near Carrick and that area.
Marta: Right.
Mike: And then from there, he may have stayed just for a short time.
Now, how do you know? Did he just go down to St. Francis on his own, or was he like an assistant pastor there? Do you have any idea?
Marta: I don’t’ know. I think he was just staying there. I got a copy of a letter that he wrote, although I’m not sure where I got to copy from or who I got the copy from, to some friends. In his letter he was just complaining about what he had been through over the past year or so. It was written on stationery from St. Francis.
Mike: Okay. The reason why you are familiar with St. Francis, which is the Church in the McKees Rocks area, you were a parishioner there at one time?
Marta: Right.
Mike: So you’re very familiar. You are assuming that, if you received a letter or saw a letter from St Francis, he had some connection there? That’s where he was staying there as a result, or did he mention in the letter that he was staying there?
Marta: I believe he did mention it
Mike: Okay. He wouldn’t have sent a copy of that letter to you right?
Marta: Oh no.
Mike: Any idea who he sent that letter to?
Marta: I’m not sure. It might’ve been Marina or it could have been ... I really don’t know.
Mike: Okay
Marta: All I know is that it was a copy. Somebody had made a copy of the letter.
Mike: Okay. So we are assuming that, from this letter, he stayed with Father (Dorsch) at St. Francis in McKees Rocks. Father (Dorsch) was the head pastor there for some time.
Marta: Right.
Mike: This would’ve been around 1991 maybe 1992 correct?
Marta: I think so
Mike: Are you aware that Father (Dorsch) was eventually convicted of sexual abuse?
Marta: I am aware now yes. I was unaware of it then.
Mike: Do you know who made you aware of that?
Marta: I believe you did.
Mike: Okay.
Mike: Do you know if Father (Dorsch) was a regular visitor from time to time with John (Wellinger)?
Marta: Yeah, I think he did visit sometimes.
Mike: Okay. Did he ever mention where he met Father (Dorsch)?
Marta: No.
Mike: No, okay. At this point, is there anything you would like to add to our conversation that you can think of?
Marta: I don’t know. I just know that I did not have a good feeling from the time he came there, and when he was instilled as pastor, I remember him mentioning that I think he came from Clairton to Holy Spirit.
Mike: Right
Marta: He also mentioned that his friends gave him different gifts, and some more drugs.
Mike: He indicated that his friends had given him drugs as a kind of
going away gift?
Marta: Yeah
Mike: He didn’t mention that those friends were?
Marta: No, Just that they were friends from Clairton.
Mike: Do you think he was serious?
Marta: Well yeah.
Mike: In other words he talked about this in such a fashion, that if I were to say to you even though I don’t know you that well, “Oh. I just left my old job, and those folks were kind enough, they gave me a bottle of wine, they gave me watch,” it was that carefree?
Marta: Yeah
Mike: And the way I describe it to you, it’s even believable, so that even though he is … ?
For someone of our age, for someone to say, "Oh they gave me drugs, …"
Marta: I don’t think he said drugs, I think he said goodies from my runner.
Mike: So he even describe it is marijuana?
Marta: Yes
Mike: So he didn’t leave it as drugs, he said marijuana?
Marta: Right
Mike: Do you think he abused drugs on a regular basis, or some type of basis?
Marta: Alcohol, as far as I know.
Mike: What do you think his relationship was with Maria (C******)?
Marta: Well, I don’t know. I guess I always thought they were a twosome. I mean, she practically lived there.
Mike: Okay
Marta: I believe there was another woman, although I cant’ remember her name.
Mike: Was it Virginia (Voytech)?
Marta: Yes, She always hung around there too. She was a nurse. She would come to the rectory, and stay there all day.
Mike: Okay
Marta:She was also there sometimes after I left.
Mike: Just a few more things. You knew (Marinell), which was (Wellinger’s) sister?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: And that’s where complete name Marinell?
Marta: M-A-R-I-N-E-L-L, that’s it.
Mike: Do you recall an outburst, or know anything about a public outburst, in the church after or during Mass by I believe it was Bob (W********)?
Marta: That wasn’t in the church, it was in the parking lot.
Mike: Okay Who was this outburst aimed at, (Wellinger) himself?
Marta: Oh yeah.
Mike: Okay. Were there people around, who could’ve heard this?
Marta: Oh yes, we were having a staff meeting that morning.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: And his wife, Ann, was of course at the staff meeting.
Mike: Okay
Marta: And he was yelling. As a matter of fact, he came into the
rectory, grabbed her, and pulled her out. He had been drink-
ing. I think he may have had a gun, or someone mentioned
that he had a gun.
Mike: Okay
Marta: I think it was Maria or someone who took (Wellinger) out the
back door.
Mike: Okay
Marta: And then they said that we should leave too.
Mike: Okay, did Bob (W********) explain to anybody what was going on? Why he was angry, why he had a gun, or why he wanted to talk to (Wellinger)?
Marta: No, except I guess that Ann was kind of taken with him. I don’t know.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: I guess they would like to have lunch together, or do things together.
Mike: Was this before or after his son ended up in Shadyside hospital?
Marta: I think it was after.
Mike: So, if it was after, he was also angry because of what happened to his son, and angry because his wife was still involved with (Wellinger).
Marta: Right.
Mike: It seems to me that one of the things that (Wellinger) used was
women to help disguise his other bad habits.
Marta: Right.
Mike: I would go so far as to say that, if I were a betting man and I’m not sure which way I would bet if someone were to say to me.
Do you think John (Wellinger) and Ann (*********) had an
affair? I would not know which way to bet, but even if you
flipped a coin, you could win. Is that a fair way of analyzing
that situation?
Marta: Well for some reason, I just never thought of it that way.
I thought it was more on her part than on his.
Mike: Okay. So she was truly infatuated with him much like Virginia (V*****)?
Marta: No. It was more like Maria.
Mike: So these women were infatuated with him, and John (Wellinger) knew how to use that?
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: This included selecting **** ********* as a victim, given he
knew he had an edge. This may have helped him in some way.
Marta: I don’t know.
Mike: I, myself, can’t think like a pedophile. But, I’m guessing that
this may have played a role.
Mike: Is there anything else you would like to add?
Marta: No not that I can think of.
Mike: When Bob ********* had this outburst, was Marinell there?
Marta: Oh. No, I was still working there.
Mike: So, Marinell replaced you?
Marta: Yes.
Mike: Okay very good. When Bob ********* had this outburst, even though he didn’t say anything about his son being hospitalized, you’re saying that everyone knew, at that point, what was going on?
Marta: Yeah, it had kind of gone around, you know.
Mike: Is it fair to say that it may be? ... Let’s say there are a thousand people who are members of the Holy Spirit Church. It would be real easy to say that for 50 of those parishioners, the (Wellinger) gossip and scandal may have been common knowledge.
Marta: Right.
Mike: And the reason I asked that question is because I talked to Frank, the former police chief, who told me that his neighbor said this was all common knowledge.
Marta: Yeah.
Mike: That he was sex idiot?
Marta: There could have been. Like I said, I don’t think I heard anything else other than what I told you.
Mike: Right
Marta: If Frank knew, I’m not sure where he lived. Jim Matthews also knew of this stuff at the time.
Mike: He was also a police officer.
Marta: Right.
Mike: Frank (Defazio)? Frank (DeFazio) was the chief of police at the time, but he tells me he didn’t know anything.
Marta: Okay
Mike: I can tell you this much, or do you think he is not necessarily
telling the truth?
Marta: I don’t know. Do the policemen have to report to them if anybody would call or anything?
Mike: Yeah, that’s right, were the policemen summoned to any of these things?
Marta: Yes. They did call the police when Bob ********* came to the rectory, but also the police came to my house one night because they were trying to get the money to (Wellinger) to get it put away for the night, and they could not locate him. So they came here to ask me for the keys for the rectory. I guess when Jim came back, he gave me the keys to the rectory and told me that (Wellinger) was passed out.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: I guess that was sort of hush-hush.
Mike: Do you think any police knew about the outburst that Bob *******
had at the rectory? Were any police called for that, and would any West Mifflin police at least be aware of something like that?
Marta: I would think they would be aware of it, because I’m almost sure we called the police.
Mike: Okay, you did call police. Who would’ve been the one to call the police?
Marta: It wasn’t me. I’m not sure. It could have been Maria or Virginia.
Mike: It sounds like people were legitimately scared, also because Bob had a gun.
Marta: Well yeah.
Mike: Or least people thought he had a gun, or that he might’ve had a gun.
Marta: Right
Mike: Do you know if any of this was reported diocese?
Marta: Well it must have been because, who else could have restricted him from coming on church property?
Mike: In other words, you are aware of the fact that Bob ********* received a letter from the lawyer for the diocese to stay away from the church?
Marta: Well all I know is that, I was told that he was not allowed to be on church grounds. That is all I know.
Mike: Okay, you don’t know. Who told you this? Was it (Wellinger)?
Marta: No wasn’t him. I guess it was just a rumor or common knowledge.
Mike: Okay. Sr Gretchen would have probably known about all this stuff?
Marta: Oh yeah.
Mike: Did she live there at the time?
Marta: No.
Mike: No? Okay. She would have known about it certainly ...
Marta: If not from others, then at least from me.
Mike: Okay.
Marta: I think she might’ve been there that day, as I think she was already on staff.
Mike: Okay. That’s right. She would have been there for the staff meeting.
I want to thank you again Marta. I’m not exactly sure what’s going to happen. But again, I applaud you for your willingness to help because this has truly been a tragedy, and I don’t like stuff like this going on, and I don’t like stuff like this being covered up. We will see what happens.
Again, Michelle **** would be willing to help me? I have already talked to her. There are some things now that I just want to get squared away. Anyway, I reserve the right to give you a call back. Thank you again. Bye-bye.
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